UK – Libertarianism On The Rise

Regardless of what you say about the British, they know that the government is robbing them blind on a daily basis. Deep down I think most British people are libertarians if not voluntarists. 

To illustrate the point MSN carried an article today titled

Call to make pensions ‘compulsory’

People should be forced to put money into a pension in the same way that they have to pay taxes, according to a think-tank.”

And here are the comments on this think tank’s proposals, libertarianism is without a doubt the most popular philosophy. Another reason to be proud to be British/Welsh/English/Scottish. Now if Ron Paul can just stand for election we might be on to something…..

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andrew feetenby (andybritbiker)
54 minutes ago
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As far as I’m aware, people did pay into pensions. A lot of people were ripped off during the last labour government. Who could possibly believe any government in this country will be true to it’s people, and actually give what is promised

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b-boomer54
55 minutes ago
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i thought national insurance was meant to be towards our state pension

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GALLEYSLAVE
1 hour ago
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Most of us have paid into the state pension scheme since we left school and we have been bilked ever since no one can live decently on £6000 a year.

So I guess the answer is that no one has any faith in pensions any more,

I mean would you willingly lend money to someone (bank, government or individual) if you don’t know how much you will get back or indeed if you would get ANYTHING back.

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Disgruntled9
51 minutes ago
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BIG BROTHER FORCING PEOPLE YET AGAIN. And who is to say what successive governments will do to our contributions. Can they be trusted? I think not.

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stano808
53 minutes ago
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Firstly why do we pay National insurance? Secondly as most people like myself earn a lot less than this average wage (myself £19,000) .So to take even with these new proposed new figures it would take me well over 100 years to make a £240,000 pension pot. Thirdly for the think tank to say if this is not done then it would be unfair to the taxpayer then tell that to the public sector who’s nice final salarys are being paid for by most of the private sector workers through council tax, who may I add are on lower wages on average and can’t afford a pension to begin with.

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georgetm
57 minutes ago
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We already do, its called National Insurance. Plus how do we know that any government in the future won’t just put a stop to this forced pension once it is implemented and use the money for something else.

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peter lucas (reper)
60 minutes ago
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i worked from the age of 14 , saved where i could brought up my 3 kids and bought my house , with no help from anyone,was an hourly paid carpenter , now i lose app 25 percent of my state pension to councio tax and i get no help from the state

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Tramp of the woods
1 hour ago
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To the “Think Tank” …

 

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!

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Malcolm Waite (27138)
49 minutes ago
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Do these people ever stop to think before they open their mouths, there are hundreds and thousands of workers on the basic wage, and thousands more who are working for just a few quid more, and at this moment the Government of clowns are helping big business to reduce their wages even more, they cannot afford to live now, never mind thinking years ahead.

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CHRISY12
43 minutes ago
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why should they be forced to pay is it not that we have paid plenty of tax and NI in our life time retirement age keeps increasing, the English tax payer has to work longer, then we have the immigrants that have come over here never paid a penny into our system and they get pensions housing, pension credits nhs now tell the English tax payer we should be forced to pay into a pension

could anyone us us go to any part of eastern Europe and claim anything from there system no we cant

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lordandy
41 minutes ago
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I paid in to a pension scheme for many years and thought I would be ok, but where it was invested all went wrong and a large chunk of pension pot was lost… enforced pension entry is not something that should be even considered.

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Karl H (mrdtrotter)
48 minutes ago
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If the powers that be weren’t all out to rob the worker maybe we would!

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blottsky
36 minutes ago
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I like people like this who talk rubbish, we all have paid into a pension we had to it was called national insurance and serps, it was to pay for our old age and health service and yet when the government plays with the fund they collect and do what they want with the money so there is no longer any money in the kitty to pay our for what we a have already paid in, we the people have to pay out again like the roads and the car tax we would have the best roads in the world but hang on we have to give the Government of another country £500,000, 000 million and all the other starving country’s an accountant will say you do not give your money away when you need it at home to pay your debts

why is it in the 21st centre the governments of the so called third world are not looking after there own I think its because they are busy looking after there own pockets and of course rubbing there hands together and thinking how can we make us feel sad and pay more into a charities to make the people who run it richer all governments seem to me to be crocked from the bottom to the top
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moanin minnie
41 minutes ago
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and what about those that don’t/wont work will they get everything paid for and a full pension when they retire like they do now?

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oldandgrey187
49 minutes ago
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Where do they get these “Dummies” from. Anybody drawing their Old Age Pension were
forced into contributions!!!
When “That Big Cow in the sky” (Maggie Thatcher) stopped the Old Age Pension from being
Index Linked our money went down like a lead balloon. Now that Nice Mr. Cameron is going
to give me another £1. 50p per week come next April!!!! Yippee-I worked from 15 years old
to 68 years old and all the Government wants you to do is DIE so you can make room for
another Mug.

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Long John (aa111bbb)
19 minutes ago
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Is this so that a future Chancellor of the Exchequer, last time it was Gordon Brown, can then raid our pension pots when the Government runs short of funds to pay for incomers from the Eastern Europe to have their benefits and their healthcare and their kids to be educated free of charge in British schools at our expense?

Like everybody else I’ve paid into a State Pension and a private pension for nearly forty years. Only to see those funds, state or private, misused by Government and mis-spent on useless “grand projects”, MP’s expenses, or now to give free benefits, health care and schooling to those who have never paid in.

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emma1000
35 minutes ago
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I earn less that 10k per year , I get tax credits and im still below the poverty line , so where do they think I can save money from ?? I Already pay towards Civil Servants pensions Which I don’t think if FAIR ! – , maybe companies need to CUT big bosses salaries & Bonus’s and then I wouldn’t need Tax Credits and I would be able to afford a pension , However I live in the real world and this will never happen as those at the top including MP’s are too GREEDY – the trough isn’t big enough for all of us

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SILVER SURFER1
28 minutes ago
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The comments so far have said it all, my husband and i both worked hard all our life, never out of work, never claimed a penny.
In our 70’s now, my husband still pays around £80 a month tax, we can’t claim anything so what was the point of saving and working hard getting good pensions, instead we should have spent our money had more holidays etc , we could claim so much now Pension Credit, less Council Tax ,what was the point??
I suppose we still have the dignity and the satisfaction of saying “we did it our way”.
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stano808
48 minutes ago
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Like Bob Dylan said one time, there’s revolution in the air!

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jigsaw s
25 minutes ago
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Have these think tanks forget us working people pay national insurance. Is this not suupose to be set aside for pensions aswell as other things. Just another excuse to put another tax on workers.

fredos1
19 minutes ago
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We already paying national insurance contribution which is for our pension. But the government using it for different causes.
Do we know how much goes to pension? No!!
we should use the German way, where the insurance contribution are shown as contribution to health and pension separately on your payslip. You then can work out how much you paid in over your working life, and your pension size is accordingly. It also stops the government using the rob Peter to pay Paul method .

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Ivor aka Biggun
31 minutes ago
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I have never paid into a pension and am now 50. I had the opportunity to but every year more horror stories of Pension firms going bust or having massive shortfalls made me not want to do it. A lot of my friends opted in and lost out big style. I put my money into property and this should enable me to sell up when the time is right. Nobody should be forced to do something like this but hey, the government need to get the deficit down from somewhere so lets screw the working man. Again.

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uklol
18 minutes ago
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We already do pay into a compulsory pension fund its called National Insurance!!

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Hoggy226
19 minutes ago
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The pension funds and the government cannot be trusted with our money. Maybe a better way to go ,at least for public sector workers, is for us to use public sector pension funds to buy back some of the energy companies and any profits from them (which run into the billions) can be put towards our pensions. I for one would be happy to have my energy supplier also provide my pension. Providing it is run well and watched closely to avoid waste. This would also stop billions being leached out to foreign companies.

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